calamityman
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Post by calamityman on Jul 19, 2006 5:00:02 GMT 7
and uh, how did this thread turn out to be about the situation in Us here? or just one U for that matter?
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Post by MC Donalds on Jul 19, 2006 7:20:39 GMT 7
Never again NUS you mean? No time to do research indeed. And no time to teach either. But then, teaching isn't important, as an idiotic head of department told me... I don't think all Asian universities are the same. And I hear the fashion actually comes from the UK, with these silly productivity statistics developed by the Tories... Funny! Here (in one of the other N$$'s) they keep switching between student-centric and professor-centric models but all the same telling us that teaching is important. The only metric, however, they can come up to assess the teaching is student feedback. Of course, if you end up teaching a course they don't like (teach maths and you are doomed!), that isn't entertaining enough , and where you don't provide a readily available list of exam questions (preferably with sample answers) to be memorized, you are guaranteed to get a bad rating. That means you are obviously not much of a teacher. Never again Asian universities I mean. Don't want this instrumental view of universities any more. Don't want to work with zombies who don't have a slightest interest in the subject (even if they are doing post-graduate studies on it) and whose problem solving skills are so bad they probably can't find their way out of a room with more than one door. Now, to Calamityman's questions... What does this have to do with the original topic. Nothing, really. How did the thread end up being hijacked? Well, it just happened - maybe there's an intellectual design for it or something ;D
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Post by Metoo on Jul 19, 2006 7:52:23 GMT 7
The only metric, however, they can come up to assess the teaching is student feedback. Of course, if you end up teaching a course they don't like (teach maths and you are doomed!), that isn't entertaining enough , and where you don't provide a readily available list of exam questions (preferably with sample answers) to be memorized, you are guaranteed to get a bad rating. Thanks. I will follow your advice. ;D
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Post by What a joke on Jul 26, 2006 7:40:03 GMT 7
What a joke, these Italians. Now they have cancelled the punishment of the Italian clubs. Typical Italian. Always talk, talk, talk, and never do anything. Punishments cut for Italian clubs
The Italian clubs implicated in a match-fixing scandal have had their punishments slashed on appeal.
Lazio and Fiorentina have been reinstated to Serie A - but with points deductions increased from 12 to 19 for Fiorentina and seven to 11 for Lazio.
Juventus' hopes of overturning demotion to Serie B were dashed, but instead of starting on minus 30 points, they have only had 17 points taken away.
AC Milan stay in Serie A with their penalty cut from 15 points to eight.
Milan have also been allowed to play in the Champions League qualifying rounds this season - having originally been barred from Europe.
But the Italian Football Federation (FIGC) sports court upheld the decision to strip Juventus of their last two Serie A titles.
The court also confirmed the five-year bans for former Juventus executives Luciano Moggi and Antonio Giraudo - the figures at the centre of the scandal.
In addition, Juventus and Fiorentina were told they must play their first three home games of the 2006-07 campaigns at neutral grounds. Lazio were given a two-match stadium ban and Milan one match.
The original punishments were handed out to the disgraced clubs by a Rome tribunal just five days after Italy won the World Cup.
All four clubs implicated denied the accusations.
Their appeals were held by the FIGC sports court at the Hotel Parco Dei Principil in Rome on Tuesday.
About 300 fans of local club Lazio gathered outside to cheer the decision to promote the team back to Serie A.
Juventus are now the only one of the four implicated clubs to be demoted to Serie B, and the Turin club immediately said on Tuesday evening they would now appeal again - possibly through a civil court if necessary.
Juve's club lawyer Cesare Zaccone told Italian news agency Ansa the appeal court's decision was "incredible."
And club chairman Giovanni Cobolli Gigli said in a statement: "We absolutely cannot accept this sentence. For this reason we have decided to push our case in every possible forum."
Fiorentina owner Diego Della Valle also raised the possibility of an appeal in the civil courts, saying after the hearing: "It's the first step. We haven't done anything and we will go down every avenue to clear our name."
Della Valle, who saw his four-year ban for his involvement in the scandal reduced by three months, added: "We won a place in the Champions League on the pitch and we will keep going until they give it back to us."
Lazio president Claudio Lotito added: "I'm not satisfied at all. Lazio has not broken any rule. The fact that we will not be taking part in the Uefa Cup is not in line with the truth."
AC Milan were the only one of the four clubs to express anything like relief at the lessening of their punishment.
"For a club that asked for a complete annulment (of the tribunal's sentence) it cannot be considered a victory," said their lawyer Leandro Cantamessa.
"But bearing in mind the tribunal's sentence, which was like being in front of a firing squad, this is much better."
Asked whether Milan intended to follow the example of the other three clubs and pursue the case in the civil courts, Cantamessa replied: "I don't know. We'll see.
"We are in the Champions League, otherwise I would not even be moderately happy".
The scandal was uncovered as a result of a criminal investigation which was launched before the start of the 2004-05 season by the Naples prosecutors' office.
Telephone conversations between former Juventus general manager Luciano Moggi and an official in charge of refereeing appointments were tapped.
Uefa had extended its own deadline for national associations to submit the teams which will play European football this season - to allow Italy to sort out this saga.
Now Italy's representatives in the Champions League will be Inter Milan, Roma, Chievo and AC Milan. The Uefa Cup teams will be Palermo, Livorno and Parma.
The big losers from the appeal decisions are Lecce and Treviso.
The bottom two clubs in Serie A last season, they were reinstated to Serie A along with 18th-placed Messina after the original verdict.
But now Fiorentina and Lazio are back in Serie A, Lecce and Treviso will be relegated after all. Messina stay up, taking Juventus' place in the top-flight, although they will now fear the Turin club's next appeal.
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